**** ŽURNALAS PRADĖTAS Mon Sep 17 13:39:32 2007

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Rgs 17 13:39:47 <baltix>	hi all
Rgs 17 13:40:23 <mhb>	carlos: hi, is there a way to workaround the old daily langpacks in Gutsy and get the more recent version?
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Rgs 17 13:40:39 <baltix>	who is responsible for daily builds of Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu images ?
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Rgs 17 13:41:06 <carlos>	mhb: that's a question for Pitti, he's the one producing the .deb packages you need, I only produce the tar.gz with the translations
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Rgs 17 13:41:50 <cjwatson>	baltix: the CD image team (including me). What's up?
Rgs 17 13:42:06 <pitti>	mhb: unfortunately not, since everything relies on the 'current' symlinks
Rgs 17 13:42:20 <pitti>	mhb: once this is fixed, the cronjobs will upload recent stuff to gutsy again
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Rgs 17 13:42:52 <baltix>	cjwatson: livecd-base isn't put in cdimage.ubuntu.com since April or March
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Rgs 17 13:43:09 <baltix>	cjwatson: look at this log for example http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/livecd-base/gutsy/livecd-base-20070801.log
Rgs 17 13:43:17 <mhb>	pitti: could you perhaps take a guess on how long will it take? From now until the cronjobs upload it?
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Rgs 17 13:43:57 <pitti>	carlos: ah, did you find out why the symlink wasn't updated?
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Rgs 17 13:44:34 <pitti>	mhb: I trigger a run now; ETA an hour or so
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Rgs 17 13:45:25 <pitti>	mhb: (however, that will not yet contain r-m translations)
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Rgs 17 13:46:29 <mhb>	pitti: great, thanks! r-m translation can wait, I wanted to be able to check the missing translations in other apps
Rgs 17 13:47:01 <carlos>	pitti: I fixed it manually, although today, I don't think we will produce new ones, we are doing QA testing and the db mirror was not updated today
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Rgs 17 13:49:04 <baltix>	also something wrong is with Ubuntu CD build logging system - last build log is more than 40 days old...
Rgs 17 13:49:08 <baltix>	look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/gutsy/?C=M;O=A
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Rgs 17 13:53:16 <cjwatson>	baltix: thanks, working on all that
Rgs 17 13:54:27 <mhb>	carlos: by the way, I've seen that you plan to finally fix the support of KDE plural forms in LP 1.1.9. Would it be possible to trigger an upstream sync after the release, so there won't be BROKEN TRANSLATION all over Kubuntu Gutsy?
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Rgs 17 13:55:33 <carlos>	mhb: danilo is working on it, we will try to fix it when possible
Rgs 17 13:55:59 <baltix>	cjwatson: btw, maybe you know why there are no daily builds in cdimage.ubuntu.com since friday ?
Rgs 17 13:55:59 <carlos>	Riddell: do you think would be possible to get a kde-i18n update for Gutsy at the end of this week ?
Rgs 17 13:56:10 <mhb>	carlos: okay, thanks.
Rgs 17 13:56:52 <cjwatson>	baltix: one at a time already
Rgs 17 13:56:55 <carlos>	mhb: btw, the code is already in our development server, if nothing bad happens during the QA testing, it should be deployed next Wednesday
Rgs 17 13:57:10 <carlos>	mhb: including native support for KDE context strings too
Rgs 17 13:58:49 <mvo>	iwj: would it be possible to pass something that trigger processing has started over the status-fd? then I could make the progress bar at least pulse
Rgs 17 13:59:36 <iwj>	NB that trigger processing might be interspersed with configuration.
Rgs 17 13:59:53 <iwj>	But I think you already ought to get a message about trigger processing.
Rgs 17 14:00:07 <Riddell>	carlos: unlikely, I am on holiday, why?
Rgs 17 14:00:27 <carlos>	Riddell: ok, let me rephrase it :-)
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Rgs 17 14:00:36 <mvo>	iwj: I don't think so, I think only if it happens during the configure phase of a package, but not when dpkg processes the outstanding triggers
Rgs 17 14:00:37 <carlos>	Riddell: would be possible to get it done before Gutsy release?
Rgs 17 14:00:41 <Riddell>	cjwatson: where does isolinux.cfg and other files in isolinux/ on the CD get created?
Rgs 17 14:00:49 <carlos>	Riddell: not before Wednesday-Thursday
Rgs 17 14:01:13 <Riddell>	carlos: possibly, you think we should take an svn snapshot of KDE 3 translations?
Rgs 17 14:01:17 <carlos>	Riddell: we just added kde plural form support to launchpad so that's the easier way to get all plural form messages with format strings 'fixed'
Rgs 17 14:01:21 <iwj>	mvo: Let me check.
Rgs 17 14:01:45 <carlos>	Riddell: that would help to be more up to date with what KDE has right now
Rgs 17 14:02:04 <carlos>	so if that's not a problem for you as the packager, I'm fine with it
Rgs 17 14:02:13 <Riddell>	carlos: ok, that shold be possible after beta (two weeks)
Rgs 17 14:02:22 <carlos>	ok, thank you
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Rgs 17 14:03:29 <pitti>	iwj: is there an easy way to detect whether the daemon is actually active and successfully found a modem? like testing for the presence of an 'slmodemd' process, if it will terminate if it didn't find an appropriate modem?
Rgs 17 14:04:01 <iwj>	It creates a /dev/modem symlink.
Rgs 17 14:04:10 <iwj>	(But I don't know if it removes it again.)
Rgs 17 14:04:18 <StevenK>	mvo: Have you seen bug 139791? I'm happy to fix it, I just need a pointer around aptitude's data structures.
Rgs 17 14:04:19 <ubotu>	Launchpad bug 139791 in aptitude "aptitude changelogs 404 when the source is in a different component to the binary package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139791
Rgs 17 14:04:21 <iwj>	Testing for the daemon running is probably reasonable too.
Rgs 17 14:04:24 <cjwatson>	baltix: livecd-base fixed, build logs fixed
Rgs 17 14:04:29 <cjwatson>	thanks for the reports
Rgs 17 14:04:51 <StevenK>	iwj: Won't udev also do the same thing?
Rgs 17 14:05:06 <pitti>	iwj: /dev/modem sounds great; it will disappear after a reboot anyway
Rgs 17 14:05:07 <cjwatson>	baltix: with regard to daily builds, the CD build system seems to be having trouble connecting to bazaar.launchpad.net for the seeds
Rgs 17 14:05:28 <pitti>	iwj: and r-m does not support immediate disabling anyway (you need a reboot to disable a module, too)
Rgs 17 14:05:38 <cjwatson>	Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/
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Rgs 17 14:05:51 <baltix>	cjwatson: thank you very much
Rgs 17 14:05:52 <cjwatson>	Riddell: specifically tools/boot/gutsy/boot-*
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Rgs 17 14:08:23 <cjwatson>	baltix: I believe I've installed a workaround for connecting to bazaar.launchpad.net; rerunning Ubuntu daily builds now
Rgs 17 14:09:06 <Keybuk>	seb128: random Q.  how do I search tracker ?
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Rgs 17 14:09:36 <pitti>	seb128: deskbar applet or Applications -> Accessoires -> Tracker search
Rgs 17 14:11:00 <iwj>	pitti: I haven't tested this, note - eg, I don't know for sure that you might not have another /dev/modem.
Rgs 17 14:11:05 <pitti>	iwj: can I steal 5 minutes of your time to test the new sl-modem-daemon love in restricted-manager?
Rgs 17 14:11:09 <Keybuk>	OMG, that "Tracker Search Tool" should be purged for crimes to usability
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Rgs 17 14:12:11 <pitti>	iwj: I ANDed the test with "sl-modem-daemon package is installed"; that should be close enough for now
Rgs 17 14:12:20 <pitti>	iwj: and I can always refine that later
Rgs 17 14:12:27 <cjwatson>	ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection timed out
Rgs 17 14:12:28 <cjwatson>	argh
Rgs 17 14:12:42 <pitti>	iwj: new package is on http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/ (restricted-manager{,-core}
Rgs 17 14:12:44 <StevenK>	Smells like firewalling.
Rgs 17 14:12:52 <StevenK>	Or hosts.{allow,deny}
Rgs 17 14:13:04 <cjwatson>	obviously
Rgs 17 14:13:14 <cjwatson>	but cdimage shouldn't be using ssh to bazaar.launchpad.net in the first place
Rgs 17 14:13:15 <pitti>	iwj: I don't have such a modem anywhere, so I could only test it with some faking
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Rgs 17 14:13:28 <iwj>	pitti: Eh ?  Not sure I follow how ANDing with the package being installed helps.
Rgs 17 14:13:29 <StevenK>	cjwatson: Ah. I will stop trying to second guess you, then. :-)
Rgs 17 14:14:06 <pitti>	iwj: it only avoids showing the driver as 'in use' when the package is not even installed, but the admin created another /dev/modem
Rgs 17 14:14:14 <iwj>	OIC
Rgs 17 14:14:16 <iwj>	OK.
Rgs 17 14:14:23 <iwj>	I'll give it a whirl.
Rgs 17 14:14:27 <pitti>	iwj: it doesn't help at all with asserting that /dev/modem is in fact the softmodem, of course
Rgs 17 14:14:31 <pitti>	iwj: thanks a lot!
Rgs 17 14:14:54 *	pitti fixes a typo in the rationale
Rgs 17 14:14:58 <cjwatson>	ah
Rgs 17 14:15:14 <cjwatson>	it just took ssh that long to time out from an earlier manual attempt, and it was running in the background forked by bzr ...
Rgs 17 14:16:10 <Riddell>	cjwatson: thanks
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**** ŽURNALAS PRADĖTAS Thu Sep 20 12:08:39 2007

Rgs 20 12:08:39 -->	You are now talking on #ubuntu-devel
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Rgs 20 12:08:40 ---	Topic for #ubuntu-devel set by Hobbsee at Wed Sep 19 05:46:00 2007
Rgs 20 12:08:47 <baltix>	hello
Rgs 20 12:08:48 <Hobbsee>	tormod: true - i've no idea why they get made, if the livefses fail - surely you hsould have no builds for the day.
Rgs 20 12:08:54 <pitti>	tormod: FWIW, I'm currently rebuilding *-meta, and then I'll trigger new CD builds; my goal today is to fix the oversizedness and get them generally installable (modulo the unionfs bug, of course)
Rgs 20 12:09:06 <Hobbsee>	pitti: how long will that take?
Rgs 20 12:09:22 *	Hobbsee wants to rsync in the next 5 hours.
Rgs 20 12:09:31 <pitti>	Hobbsee: I'll spread it out over the day; I have no intention of staring at it all the time
Rgs 20 12:09:37 <baltix>	pitti: I can tell you how to fix oversizing problems without removing any software :)
Rgs 20 12:09:38 <pitti>	Hobbsee: 5 hours should be doable
Rgs 20 12:09:48 <Hobbsee>	pitti: yay, ok
Rgs 20 12:09:51 <pitti>	baltix: "use DVDs"? :-)
Rgs 20 12:10:05 <pitti>	we have the new OO.o, and some font package reductions
Rgs 20 12:10:10 <baltix>	pitti: no
Rgs 20 12:10:12 <pitti>	let's see whether that already does the trick
Rgs 20 12:11:03 <baltix>	pitti: lots of space is eaten by localized help files from gnome applications
Rgs 20 12:11:17 <pitti>	baltix: right, that's on our long-term list, too
Rgs 20 12:12:10 <baltix>	pitti: look at this specification - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/help-for-each-languages
Rgs 20 12:13:39 <asac>	network-manager needs to be given back on all but lpia/i386 ... who is in charge?
Rgs 20 12:14:02 <pitti>	asac: can do
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Rgs 20 12:14:32 <asac>	pitti: thanks!
Rgs 20 12:14:34 <pitti>	asac: kicked
Rgs 20 12:14:54 *	asac hugs pitti
Rgs 20 12:16:07 <soren>	Could someone be pursuaded to merge this branch into the main one? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shawarma/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.gutsy.server-tasks
Rgs 20 12:16:25 <pitti>	soren: oh, good timing; I am just updating *-meta
Rgs 20 12:17:06 <soren>	pitti: \o/
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Rgs 20 12:17:24 <baltix>	pitti: why excluding unneeded help files is only on long-term list ? It's very easy to do - just move subfolders by language names from /usr/share/gnome/help/ into separate packages - help-pack-gnome-pl, help-pack-gnome-fr, etc
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Rgs 20 12:19:05 <pitti>	soren: hm, that changes quite a bit; does this have cjwatson's blessing? I'm not sure whether the STRUCTURE changes are correct
Rgs 20 12:19:12 <baltix>	you are doing almost the same job with translations (.mo files from /usr/share/locale/ subfolders)
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Rgs 20 12:19:38 <soren>	pitti: Ah, I may have forgot to renmae the file-server thing in STRUCTURE.
Rgs 20 12:19:53 <soren>	pitti: Other than that, I pretty much just copied the openssh-server thing.
Rgs 20 12:19:54 <pitti>	soren: and shouldn't the packages in the new tasks be removed from the previous seed ('server' or so)?
Rgs 20 12:20:30 <pitti>	soren: server-ship doesn't mention postgresql-server and mail-server either; that's not intended, I take it?
Rgs 20 12:20:31 <Hobbsee>	heno!
Rgs 20 12:20:44 <soren>	pitti: Hm... Gimme a few minutes.
Rgs 20 12:20:49 <heno>	Hobbsee!
Rgs 20 12:20:58 <Hobbsee>	:)
Rgs 20 12:21:06 <pitti>	soren: hm, what about I upload *-meta now, you sort this out and get Colin's blessing, and then I merge and update again?
Rgs 20 12:21:18 <pitti>	soren: I want to get the other CDs in shape ASAP
Rgs 20 12:21:32 <soren>	pitti: Alright.
Rgs 20 12:21:59 ---	pitti has changed the topic to: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | main frozen for Gutsy Beta release
Rgs 20 12:22:31 <ion_>	I take it the fix for nvidia_supported in l-r-m didn’t make it to the beta?
Rgs 20 12:23:56 <soren>	pitti: Right, yes, that's entirely fine. I need Colin to do a new tasksel upload for this as well, so I have to bother him anyway :)
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Rgs 20 12:35:01 <soren>	How much space does a default desktop installation of gutsy occupy?
Rgs 20 12:35:59 <pitti>	soren: something between 2 and 2.5 GB
Rgs 20 12:36:09 <soren>	pitti: thanks
Rgs 20 12:36:49 *	ogra hugs pitti 
Rgs 20 12:36:59 <ogra>	seeds changed, thanks a lot :)
Rgs 20 12:37:17 <pitti>	ogra: only supported? or ship/desktop?
Rgs 20 12:37:23 <pitti>	ogra: (I just updated *-meta)
Rgs 20 12:38:03 *	pitti sighs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html
Rgs 20 12:39:05 <pitti>	fabbione: do you happen to have an idea why sparc has so many uninstallable packages? autobuilders don't keep up, or a broken basic library?
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Rgs 20 12:40:27 <fabbione>	pitti: no sorry. I haven't been a looking a sparc for ages. AFAIK pkl is supposed to do so
Rgs 20 12:40:32 <pitti>	ah, ok
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Rgs 20 12:43:58 <Riddell>	thanks for the merge pitti
Rgs 20 12:43:59 <ogra>	pitti, -server
Rgs 20 12:44:14 <lucas>	are sync requests going to be processed before the release? I have a pending sync request than fixes a bug (UVFe already granted)
Rgs 20 12:44:31 <pitti>	ogra: I see; can you please update -meta again then when you are finished with the seeds?
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Rgs 20 12:45:40 <ogra>	indeed :)
Rgs 20 12:46:28 <baltix>	btw, why foomatic-db-gutenprint was removed from main since edgy ? lots of printer's drivers now are missing in Ubuntu currently :(
Rgs 20 12:46:58 <pitti>	infinity: can we do a mass-giveback on sparc?
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Rgs 20 12:52:07 <Whoopie>	seb128: I thank YOU.
Rgs 20 12:52:32 <seb128>	;)
Rgs 20 12:53:20 <pitti>	seb128: ah, seems that libmetacity0 is a major source of uninstallability on amd64; giving back package
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Rgs 20 12:54:26 <seb128>	pitti: might be, I looked yesterday to GNOME 2.20 builds and almost everything built, I asked some retries to lamont which seem to have worked correctly
Rgs 20 12:54:53 <seb128>	pitti: the metacity build issue was due to libgnomeui uploaded almost in the same time and arch all any installability
Rgs 20 12:54:57 <Riddell>	calc: is OO 2.3 going to get into beta? (I presume not)
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Rgs 20 13:04:43 <pitti>	seb128: who can we blame for the beagle FTBFS? Do you still think we should keep it in main at all, now that we have tracker?
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Rgs 20 13:05:34 <seb128>	pitti: there is a bzr branch which the new version which fixes the build issue
Rgs 20 13:05:44 <seb128>	https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beagle/+bug/134341
Rgs 20 13:05:45 <ubotu>	Launchpad bug 134341 in beagle "beagle ftbfs" [High,Fix committed]
Rgs 20 13:06:15 <seb128>	pitti: keeping it to main, yes, some people use it and nautilus can use it at runtime only if builds with libbeagle
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Rgs 20 13:07:29 <pitti>	seb128: bzr fix> ah, cool
Rgs 20 13:08:01 *	pitti attacks http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_outdate.txt now
Rgs 20 13:08:19 <seb128>	pitti: Riddell gave the approvel for the new version but I didn't manage to upload before my holidays, I'll have a look today
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Rgs 20 13:08:40 <pitti>	seb128: thanks
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Rgs 20 13:09:45 <pitti>	Mithrandir: can you please fix the bluez-utils b-deps? we don't have libbluetooth-dev 3.19
Rgs 20 13:10:46 <seb128>	bah, freeze already in effect?
Rgs 20 13:10:53 <Spads>	Yep
Rgs 20 13:11:08 <Spads>	http://mid.gmane.org/20070920091544.GI6014@piware.de
Rgs 20 13:11:16 <pkern>	And the topic FWIW...
Rgs 20 13:12:01 <seb128>	that was not really a question
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